Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Acharya S can prove Jesus Christ never existed, and your preacher can’t prove ‘He’ did

Detoxifying self-deception

Acharya S can prove Jesus Christ never existed, and your preacher can’t prove ‘He’ did

By John Kaminski

Once you base your whole life striving on a desperate lie, and try to implement that lie, you instrument your own undoing.
— Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

It’s like taking candy away from a baby. The candy’s no good for the kid, but it will take him many years and much learning to realize the favor you did for him. In the meantime he’ll whine about how mean you were and how wrong it was to do that. But when he’s a healthy adult, because of the very thing you took away, he may actually develop the judgment and wisdom to thank you for what you did. In any case, he’ll be much healthier.

So too with beliefs. If you believe in magic, that some special phrase will keep you safe from harm in all situations and even immunize you from death, you can’t help but fail to perceive the true reality of the world before your eyes — that all things must pass, even though subtle aspects of us may journey onward through our offspring.

It’s a beautiful system when you think about it, one that governs every living thing in the known universe. And every living thing is more than satisfied with it — in fact, prospers in its vital joy because of it — except one. Us.

Humans, normally very discerning in every aspect of their infinitely varied lives, possess absolutely no standards at all when it comes to one subject — death. It is often said that instinct is stronger than reason, and in all the realms of human endeavor, nowhere is this more evident than in the amusingly inventive strategies humans develop to pretend they don’t really die.

The second most common human trait after survival is the urge to prosper and be secure, so it should come as no surprise that, very early on in our history, perceptive and enterprising people, upon recognizing this universal human need to deny that we die, rushed to develop and market products that satisfied the public demand to alleviate this fear. Every culture ever known to man left significant traces of this spiritual commerce.

You know the argument. Can we live our lives and accept that nothing follows? Or must we deceive ourselves and invent, with the power of our infinite imaginations, a way past this daunting wall of mortality. Well, the answer’s in, and the human species has clearly opted for the unprovable hope. But exactly what is the price of this willful self-deception?

This is no attempt to demean many thousands of years of honest effort by sincere people to distill lessons essential to healthy living into practical codes of conduct that reinforce the cause of harmony and provide useful paths to peace of mind. But given the nature of our affliction, of the terror of death we all have that needs to be repressed for our own tranquility, it is not difficult to understand how those who wield these secret formulas for happiness might just be tempted to exploit them for their own selfish purposes. It’s called the temptation of power, and I don’t think I need to explain it to you.

Furthermore, given that this problem has a higher priority than any other we face in our entire lives, and also that to each of us, the effectiveness of the cure is far more important than the actual legitimacy of the method, this leaves us — as we know from history — with a situation ripe for exploitation.

Lastly, there is the little matter of actually knowing the secrets of the universe. This we consign to the province of priests, and we pay them to make us happy, to make up a story that ties up all these loose, bleak ends which we don’t want to think about. But what if these beliefs hurt us in ways we don’t realize. Even as they may make us comfortable with simple tales that magically explain everything, do we really understand what the concepts of communion and resurrection really mean in terms of how we relate to our neighbors and our world? What is the danger when logic is subsumed by the magic of religious belief?

First, we must understand the process by which people think.

There is alluring evidence that ancient cultures actually possessed much more realistic religions than our own contemporary society. And they were developed by studying the sky. During the day, it was obvious that all life depended on the beneficent properties of the Sun. And during the fearful night, humans studied the stars for their cues to survival, and projected their own thoughts onto these phenomena. These two things form the basis of all existing religions, according to Acharya S.

How do people think? We anthropomorphize everything. It is how we learned to understand things. We talk to our plants and our stuffed animals. We give them names. Thus is it has always been, with all perceived phenomena. This is how stars became people, or at least animals. From Amun Ra, piloting his boat of heaven across the sky all those centuries ago, to the Great Bear, whom we still see every night.

The Sun became Krishna. The moon Inanna. Their setting and disappearance created new gods reborn daily, or monthly or yearly. They all got names, different ones, depending on where you lived. Osiris. Tammuz. Orpheus. Mithra. Millions of names. Millennia passed. One day, after thousands of years of war and peace, of fighting and loving, of civilizations rising and falling, suddenly, after a Roman conclave of regional movers and shakers, the approved deity’s name became Jesus. And he was still the Sun, and his disciples were the stars (the twelve signs of the Zodiac, actually).

Or so Acharya says, and I believe her. Why? Because it’s logical. It’s actual history. And though still myth, it is empirical rather than manipulative, a causative explanation rather than the magic trick of some unfathomable man who showed up one day and claimed he was God to people who wrote it all down and put it in a book called the Bible.

That’s the short version. The long version is two thousand years of suppressed scholarship, kept secret because it simply didn’t gibe with the propaganda organized religions produce to attract and addict adherents to their own particular interpretation of cosmic events and everyday life. But this more scientific explanation has always been out there, and reasonable, thinking people, who aren’t blinded by their own fear and cowed by their own self-inflicted spiritual gurus, have always known about it.

And Acharya S. has gathered it, folded it neatly and logically into two encyclopedic volumes of scholarly excellence. These are titled “The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold” (1999) and “Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled” (2004). Both are published by Adventures Unlimited Press.

Look at the world today. Endless wars, festering hatreds, a multitude of government lies telling us the world is one way when we suspect that’s not really the way it is. We should listen to our own voices and not blindly accept the smug statements of “authority” figures. How did we learn to do that? Guess. Just take a wild guess.

This story is not about taking your God away. Only an idiot would insist that men created the sunset, the orbits of the planets, or baby drool. This story is about analyzing the terminology you use to explain the way you see your life and the universe. And most of all, it is about the lies we have been told to keep us in our mental chains while those who control us — our preachers, priests, rabbis, mullahs, lamas and other assorted “holy” men — reinforce fear, abet slaughter, and profit mightily from the conspicuous lies that they promote as sacred gospel.

Sorry to be so blunt. You need to pay attention to this. The future of human society depends on your understanding what you are reading at this moment, and even that is kind of an understatement.

To our contemporary Christianized Western minds, the most astonishing thing Acharya S. proves beyond doubt in her two scholarly tomes is that the much-revered personality known as Jesus Christ is a completely contrived fictional character, and that Christianity has no substance whatsoever that was not stolen — created whole cloth out of pagan myths and traditions — from many of the world’s more ancient religions.

How does she prove this?

• By telling you about the many other “saviors” who existed prior to the creation of Jesus, many of whom were born in late December of virgin mothers and were of divine origin, most of whom performed miracles, held high morals, healed the sick, were the catalysts for salvation, were called “Savior” or “Redeemer,” and were crucified; whose legends all contain elements that were later plagiarized by unscrupulous Roman plutocrats when they got together to construct the Jesus myth as a method to usurp and unify preexisting creeds to better control their diverse and obstreperous masses.

• By analyzing all the contributions of known writers of that ancient time, through decades of study of the works of skeptical historians who have been researching this hoax for centuries, and observing that virtually none of these early historians ever mentions Christ or Christians, except for the works of a special few, and deeper analysis reveals these works to have been tinkered with, or outright fabricated, for the benefit of the manipulative politicians who created the most powerful mindlock human society has ever known.

• And by providing a detailed and accurate portrait of the actual evolution of religious myth, with a clear explanation of how all messiahs are merely anthropomorphic representations of the Sun, and how all the other mythological supporting characters, particularly when they are described in groups of 12, are merely personalities projected onto the stars.

This, not the debunking of the Jesus myth, is the overarching value of the book, and makes Acharya, in my sincere estimation, the ranking religious philosopher of our age, simply because she cuts through the sanctimonious crap and deals empirically and forthrightly with the facts.

But more than that, in this age of deliberate disinformation and mass mind control, the works of Acharya provide those who wish to think deeply about the nature of the human condition with a startling survey of priestly misbehavior and deliberate deception, which is what religion really is — a magic show that exploits people’s need for answers to unanswerable questions.

As such, her works furnish us with an essential tool to help us understand why we are powerless against an onslaught of facile mass media that keep telling us things we know are not true. What the state does the church first perfected with threats, violence, and forcing us to believe in our inmost hearts things that were never true.

But it’s the Jesus argument that gets everybody’s attention.

Or, as Acharya puts it, “ ... there is no evidence for the historicity of the Christian founder, that the earliest Christian proponents were as a whole either utterly credulous or astoundingly deceitful, and that said ‘defenders of the faith’ were compelled under incessant charges of fraud to admit that Christianity was a rehash of older religions.”

Let’s start with legendary figures of far greater antiquity whose attributes appear to uncannily resemble the much later legend known as Jesus Christ.

“The Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales of other deities recorded in this widespread area of the ancient world, including several of the following world saviors, most or all of whom predate the Christian myth,” Acharya writes.

These include (and I’ll edit this list, because it’s very long)

• Adad and Marduk of Assyria.

• Adonis, Aesclepius, Apollo, Dionysus, Heracles, and Zeus of Greece.

• Alcides of Thebes, divine redeemer born of a virgin around 1200 BCE.

• Attis of Phyrgia.

• Baal or Bel of Babylon/Phoenicia.

• Buddha and Krishna of India.

• Hermes of Egypt/Greece.

• Hesus of the Druids.

• Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt.

• Indra of Tibet/India.

• Ieo of China.

• Issa of Arabia, born of the Virgin Mary in 400 BCE.

• Jupiter/Jove of Rome.

• Mithra of Persia/India.

• Odin/Wodin/Woden/Wotan of Scandinavia.

• Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece.

• Quetzalcoatl of Mexico.

• Salivahana of southern India, “who was a divine child, born of a virgin, and son of a carpenter.”

• Tammuz of Syria, the savior god worshipped in Jerusalem.

• Thor of the Gauls.

• Zoroaster of Persia.

Attis of Phrygia was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana, and considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was crucified on a tree, descended into the underworld and was resurrected annually on March 25 as the “most high god,” many centuries before Christianity was invented.

Buddha was born on December 25 of the virgin Maya, and his birth was accompanied by a special star, wise men and angels. He was baptized in water with the holy ghost present. He was resurrected and will return in the “latter days” to judge all men. His legends extend back more than a thousand years before Christ.

The Greek god of wine was actually a savior (as any drinker will tell you). Dionysus, born of a virgin, who rode in a triumphal procession on an ass, is considered by some scholars as the prototype of Christ.

The real model for all saviors, according to Acharya, was the Egyptian god Osiris. Quoting Barbara Walker, from “The Women’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets” (Harpers, 1983):

Of all the savior gods worshipped at the beginning of the Christian era, Osiris may have contributed more details to the evolving Christ figure than any other. Already very old in Egypt, Osiris was identified with nearly every other Egyptian god and was on the way to absorbing them all. He had well over 200 divine names. He was called the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods. He was the Resurrection and the Life, the Good Shepherd, Eternity and Everlastingness, “the god who made men and women to be born again.” (Sir Wallis) Budge (once the preeminent Egyptologist) says, “From first to last, Osiris was to the Egyptians the god-man who suffered, and died, and rose again, and reigned eternally in heaven. They believed that they would inherit eternal life, just as he had done ...

Some claim Osiris lived up to 22,000 years ago. Acharya writes:

As Col. James Churchward naively exclaims, “The teachings of Osiris and Jesus are wonderfully alike. Many passages are identically the same, word for word.”

Acharya also exhaustively compares the details of Krishna and Mithra, as well as Prometheus, Quetzalcoatl, and Serapis. The reader soon begins to realize that all these stories the same. Conclusion?

It is evident that Jesus Christ is a mythical character based on these various ubiquitous godmen and universal saviors who were part of the ancient world for thousands of years prior to the Christian era.

Now, once you realize that, you know you have to prepare for the onslaught of true believers, who, when you mention that Jesus was a fictional character, are going to come at you with every verbal weapon they have retained during their misguided and propagandized lives.

The Bible is not a valid historical document. It is work of political and philosophical propaganda, designed to deceive and control, and take advantage of people’s need to have answers to questions that really have no answers, as far as human perception is concerned.

Often, fundamentalist Christians try to cite classical historical sources to buttress their unshakable belief that Jesus resurrected and (according to George Bush and the neocons) will return one day to blow up Jerusalem and lead his followers to a pleasant destination in the sky.

This may be the most valuable aspect of Acharya’s work. She considers the name of every known historian of the period and explains why what Christian fanatics insist they said can’t possibly be accurate.

Using thousands of footnotes from serious scholars over the many centuries, Acharya deftly explains all the revisions, interpolations and forgeries that allow some of the diehard faithful to argue that there actually is historical evidence of the existence of Jesus — when in fact there is not.

All the great first century historians — Pliny the Elder and Younger, Suetonius, Dio Chrysostom, Livy, Petronius, Plutarch, Seneca and many others whose works are still extant — never make any mention of the founder of Christianity.

Even though he lived in Jerusalem during the time Jesus was supposed to have existed, the well-known Jewish philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria never mentions Christ or Christianity even once. Acharya quotes religious scholar John Remsburg about Philo:

He was there when the crucifixion with its attendant earthquake, supernatural darkness, and resurrection of the dead took place, and in the presence of many witnesses ascended into heaven. These marvelous events which must have filled the world with amazement, had they really occurred, were unknown to him.

The well-traveled Philo had pleaded the Jewish cause in Rome, knew of Pilate, the Essenes and the Therapeuts, yet never once mentioned Jesus or Christians.

As Acharya surmised: “One would think that if ... Jesus had suddenly appeared in Philo’s homeland, during his life, when he was a sentient adult, Philo would not only have noticed but would have jumped for joy, and written reams about the glorious event, seeing the promises and prophecies of Israel fulfilled. It could not be more obvious that nothing of the sort happened during Philo’s lifetime.”

But most Christian apologists don’t even know about Philo. The one historian they most often use to legitimize their claims that Jesus Christ was an actual historical personage is Flavius Josephus. And Acharya devotes a considerable amount of space demolishing those claims.

Josephus (37-95 CE) is the most famous Jewish historian of the time. Acharya writes:

... in the entire work of Josephus, which constitute many volumes of great detail encompassing centuries of history, there is no mention of Paul or the Christians, and there are only two brief paragraphs that purport to relate to Jesus. Although much has been made of these “references,” they have been dismissed by scholars and Christian apologists alike as forgeries ...

Many scholars investigating the matter believe that single mention of Jesus in all of the works Josephus was forged — interpolated — centuries later by an unscrupulous Christian named Bishop Eusebius.

In her second book, Acharya recounts the analysis of Bible expert Dr. Nathaniel Lardner (1684-1768):

Mattathias, the father of Josephus, must have been a witness to the miracles which are said to have been performed by Jesus, and Josephus was born within two years after the crucifixion, yet in all the works he says nothing whatever about the life or death of Jesus Christ; as for the interpolated passage it is now universally acknowledged to be a forgery.

But perhaps the most curious episode Acharya covers involves the Roman historian Tacitus, whose oft-cited passage about Nero persecuting the Christians is revealed as a fraud. And that leads to an interesting story so typical of the questionable construction of the Christian myth.

It seems that this particular mention by Tacitus, who lived in the first century CE, does not appear in literature until the 15th century, because numerous scholars have noted that not even the most ardent Christian apologists ever mentioned it until then. But that’s not the worst part.

Perhaps the quintessential bogus reproduction of a classical source for devious Christian purposes resides the famous passage in “The Annals” by Tacitus that describes Nero blaming Christians for the burning of Rome. Unfortunately for the Roman church’s propaganda machine, numerous experts have deduced that since neither Eusebius nor Tertullian nor any of the other devoted church fathers knew of the existence of this passage — because they surely would have mentioned it because it was so vividly sympathetic to their cause — it is likely that this entire book — The Annals of Tacitus, which is a staple of some classical libraries — is a 15th century forgery about a 1st century event meant to improve the nonexistent historical veracity of the Christian church.

But the history of real religion, ah, that’s a different and happier story. Acharya quotes Indian scholar S. B. Roy from his “Prehistoric Lunar Astronomy”:

To the ancients ... heaven was the land of gods and mystery. The sky — the Dyaus of the Rig Veda — was itself living. The stars were the abodes of the gods. The shining stars were indeed themselves luminous gods. Astronomy was the knowledge of not of heavenly bodies, but of heavenly beings.

“Astronomical or astrotheological knowledge reaches back to the dawn of humanity, appearing widespread and becoming highly developed over a period of millennia,” Acharya writes, and after a thorough examination of the subject, concludes:

The church fathers and other Christian writers also acknowledged this astrotheology and its antiquity, but denigrated it as much as possible. Why? ... the knowledge about astrotheology would reveal the Christians’ own religion to be Pagan in virtually every significant aspect .... the restoration of this knowledge is not to be despaired but rejoiced.


The Christian religion — as well as its monotheistic cousins, Judaism and Islam — are all based on primitive vestiges from a dim past that certainly most of their adherents do not adequately understand and doubtless many of its top officials do not comprehend, either. These are cannibalism and child sacrifice.

The tangent to cannibalism can be clearly seen in the act of Holy Communion, in which the faithful are urged to swallow “the body of Christ.” The example of child sacrifice occurs in the myth of “God” supposed sending his only son into the corporeal realm only to be tortured and murdered. This has always sounded to me like deep cover conditioning to indoctrinate believing dupes into being willing to die, or sending their children off to die, for their blessed country.

I don’t know of any literature that adequately analyzes the psychological ramifications of these two symbolically barbaric acts. But I do know that billions of people have participated in these crazed rituals and based their lives on the veneration of them. And we see too clearly the results of the belief paradigm in the senseless murder of billions over the century generated by the blind and savage faith in this supposedly holy cause.

Though there are infinite examples, the two that initially come to mind are the centuries of slaughter in the Western hemisphere by Spanish conquistadores and British pioneers who regarded different-looking fellow humans as mere animals eligible for thoughtless extermination. And now, there are the perverse rape- murders of innocent Iraqis by drug-addled and uranium-poisoned American, British and Israeli heroes. Same ballgame, different day — every single bit of it directly attributable to this bloodthirsty Judeo-Christian legacy.

And I also know one other important thing in these matters. When you live your life convinced that reality is a certain way and base your life on it, your life will turn out to be exactly what you believe. I believe there is a direct connection between the great Christian lie that you will survive death if you do what the priest says, and the everpresent reality of violence in the world.

The church teaches you to believe in the infallibility of what its leaders say, and to follow their orders no matter what, or you will roast in the fires of hell. History shows us, clearly, that no matter what denomination, the church fathers have lied terribly and caused billions of needless deaths. This lying, sanctimoniously emulated by government leaders — be they kings or presidents — has transferred this supernatural authority to the secular realm, and allowed our leaders to dupe their populations into endless killing for what our leaders said was right, but for what were ultimately deceitful reasons because they were based on deliberate lies. Just like the Christian religion, and its monotheistic cousins.

The population’s willingness to believe these lies relates directly to what their holy men told them — believe this, or you will suffer in hell for eternity.

What you believe is what you become, and this attitude engendered by the Christian church and its maniacal monotheistic counterparts have, with their transparent lies that have been swallowed by millions of gullible people, lived up to the impotent threats of their insincere promises by creating hell on earth to convince you that they are right.

This holy mindlock has never been more obvious — nor more lethal — than it is today, in the year 2005, in which a despotic U.S. president who insists he talks to God has killed and is killing hundreds of thousands people all over the world, for reasons that anyone with a whit of sense knows are lies.

The two voluminous, solidly referenced works of the woman known only as Acharya S — “The Christ Conspiracy” and “Suns of God” — provide a valuable first step for many bewildered believers who have come to disbelieve the doubletalk of their religious leaders in detoxifying the self-deceptive misinformation that most of us have been bombarded with throughout our lives.

This knowledge has always been known, but it has been suppressed by the spin machine that organized religion, conferring its corrupt grace on tyrants for centuries, has always censored. The real picture of our misguided Christian believer was probably best expressed by St. Augustine himself all those long and agonizing years ago, in this passage recounted by Acharya S:

... one of the most famed and respected Christian doctors was St. Augustine, who “stakes his eternal salvation” on his assertion that he preached the gospel to “a whole nation of men and women, who had no heads, but had their eyes in their bosoms.”

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Footnote: Just who exactly is Acharya S and why is she so hard to find? Really, it’s because of the persecution she has been forced to endure because of her work. Right now, not even her publisher knows where she is. She has gone underground after several unpleasant incidents during the past few years, one of which was the kidnapping of her son, a crime that was happily resolved after some period of intense stress that may have involved a well-known New Age guru.

A study in contradictions, Acharya S is obviously a nom de plume for an archeologist, historian, mythologist and linguist who has the qualifications, courage, and integrity to so professionally and thoroughly debunk the collective religious spin machine. But to talk to Acharya S is markedly different than reading her work, about the like the difference between a biker chick and a college professor, leading some to speculate if the rough-edged radical and the creator of the meticulously argued and scholarly tomes which bear her name are actually the same person.

Nevertheless, her two meticulously footnoted books present the lay reader and professional historian alike with a stark assessment of the outright lies the Christian church has told about its namesake. You can order the books from or find out more about Acharya at

If you read these books, it’s extremely doubtful you’ll ever go to church again. And if you do, you must carry with you the reverberating question: What happens to you when you know that what you have believed in the deepest recesses of your own heart is false?

All this time, in the name of a bogus magic formula stolen from others and renamed with lie upon lie, billions have been slaughtered, and billions more about to be. Open your eyes, for the real God’s sake, for the beauty of this universe that gives us life, that does not distinguish between man or beast, but gives everything that breathes this exquisite gift, with only one, single string attached — a string attached to everything that lives.

John Kaminski is a writer who lives on the Gulf Coast of Florida and writes essays seen on hundreds of websites around the world. These stories have been collected into two anthologies, “America’s Autopsy Report” and “The Perfect Enemy.” In addition, “The Day America Died: Why You Shouldn’t Believe the Official Story of What Happened on September 11, 2001,” is a 48-page booklet written for those who still believe the government’s phony version of the events of that tragic day. For information on his books, check out

Comment: It appears from John Kaminski's summary of the work of Acharya S that we are in agreement with her main arguments. Of course, until we read the books ourselves, final judgment is held in reserve. One area where we may have a different understanding is in the real origins of the Jesus myth as described in the book The Book of Q and Christian Origins by Burton L. Mack. Through work of textual analysis of the synoptic gospels, Mack uncovers the original text that is the foundation upon which the Christian Church was built. It is the voice of a teacher who was closer to Greek cynic philosophy than to Judaism. He probably wasn't Jewish at all.

Mack's work also shows how subsequent layers were added to the texts over time as the Jesus myth arose and solidified.

Acharya proposes that the Jesus of the gospels was likely a composite figure, and this may well be the way the gospels were constructed. Our work is to try to discern the thread of truth behind the lies, to uncover the esoteric truths hidden and obscured by the additional layers of lies as the Church formed and usurped the original teachings.

For more information on the historicity of Jesus, take a look at the review of The Lost Gospel: The Book of Q and Christian Origins by Burton L. Mack. And then check out what the Most Dangerous Cult in the World has in store for us. Also check out Laura's series on Who Wrote the Bible for an objective look at the origins of the Book that is causing us so many problems today.

Friday, July 29, 2005

Calls for Leading Muslim Cleric to resign and be prosecuted for saying "Al Qaeda does not exist"

Calls for Leading Muslim Cleric to resign and be prosecuted for saying "Al Qaeda does not exist"

Telegraph | July 28 2005

Mohammad Naseem today also appeared on BBC radio and asserted that there
is no evidence Al Qaeda exists, no evidence it carried out the London Bombings
and that it is a construction of Intelligence agencies falling in line with
the CIA. These are all provable facts as we regularly point out on this
website by refering to official sources. Are we to be prosecuted as well?
The MAJORITY of the callers on the show also rightly pointed out that Bin
Laden was a CIA asset and Al Qaeda, if it exists at all is a loose knit
group of Mujahideen trained and funded by the CIA to do battle with Russian
forces in Afghanistan in the late 70s and 1980s.

For the soundbites click here
and fast forward to 1 hour 22 mins into the show, and then later on
2 hours 45 mins into the show.

The most
senior Islamic cleric in Birmingham claimed yesterday that Muslims were
being unjustly blamed in the war on terrorism and that the eight suspects
in the two bombing attacks on London "could have been innocent passengers".

Mohammad Naseem, the chairman
of the city's central mosque, called Tony Blair a "liar" and "unreliable
witness" and questioned whether CCTV footage issued of the suspected
bombers was of the perpetrators.

He said that Muslims "all
over the world have never heard of an organisation called al-Qa'eda".

Mr Naseem, who was speaking after
police seized Yasin Hassan Omar in Birmingham, delivered his unprompted
outburst when he was invited to a press conference with West Midlands police
and Birmingham city council to help calm fears of racial or religious tension
after the arrest.

It was held near the police cordon
in Heybarnes Road, where Omar was arrested.

His comments shocked senior police

Sources said that attempts to
encourage Muslims to pass them information on the bombers' activities would
be hindered. One said: "We are trying to gain the trust of the Muslim
community and these kinds of comments have the opposite effect. All they
do is encourage communities to close ranks against us."

To the obvious embarrassment of
council officials and police standing next to him, Mr Naseem said the Government
and security services "were not to be relied upon".

He said: "Tony Blair has
told lies on going to Iraq and in a court of law if a witness has proved
to be a liar he ceases to be a reliable witness. So we cannot give our blind
trust to the Government.

"To have that trust it is
important that the process of law should be independent, open and transparent.
I am also sad that unfortunately the impression has been given that Muslims
are to be targeted in this war against terror. There seems to be a directive
to target Muslims. Why do we not have an open mind about this?

"Muslim bashing seems to
be more earnest than the need for national unity and harmony. Terrorists
can be anybody - we will have to see [whether the bombers are Muslims].
The process is not open; the process is not transparent; the process is
not independent. I do not have faith in the system as it stands."

Mr Naseem is one of the most respected
Muslims in the city and is considered a moderate. He has regular meetings
with the chief constable to discuss religious harmony.

Mr Naseem said that while it was
vital that terrorism was stamped out and that there was never any justification
for it, the Government had not helped by going to war in Iraq.

Dismissing the Prime Minister's
insistence that the war had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks, he
said: "Tony Blair … is not going to be perceived as a reliable
witness. His comments could motivate someone to take the law into his own

"Some people have been caught
but I have not seen any evidence. The process of law is not open."

Asked about the suspects' DNA
being found at the scene of the first attacks, he said: "DNA can match
you, but that does not mean you are going to commit a crime. Thousands of
youths are passing by and caught on CCTV, so how do you know it is them?"

He added: "We must rely upon
trust that we have between communities.

"We must remain united in
the fight against terrorism but the process should be independent and open,
not like the Hutton inquiry, not like the Lord Butler inquiry." And,
in an editorial in The Dawn, the central mosque's newsletter, Mr Naseem
writes: "Where is the evidence that four youths whose pictures were
caught on CCTV cameras…were the perpetrators? How did we reject the
possibility they were just innocent victims of this terrible happening?
They had bought return train tickets."

Well i have no problems with what is being said.No i dont think our Muslim friend should be arrested for saying what is.Where are the CCTV images of the so called train suicide bombers,and lets not forget Richard Jones is not a reliable witness to the so called bus bomber.....Our muslim friend is right, how are we to take without REAL evidence the word of a liar.....The Hutton enquiery was a white wash,David Kelly it seems was indeed murdered.And tony Blair does have blood on his hands,and the death of 100 thousand Iraqis....psychopaths,how can anyone believe them.We tell our children not to lie,though we let these NAZIS tell our children lies...Shameful.

Thursday, July 28, 2005

No Video of the 3 Bombers Inside the London Subway Cars before they blew up?

by Dick Fojut
July 25, 2005

Editor's note

At present, the London underground has an analogue video network and video transmission at 180 stations. Confirmed by new reports, there are close to two thousand video cameras which monitor London's Underground and mainline rail stations.

It is estimated that "the average Briton is caught on various cameras up to 300 times on a normal day." (The Age, 8 July 2005).

The key issue raised in this commentary refers to videocameras inside the underground carriages. In most European metro systems, the trains are equipped with a videowatch installation, with video cameras inside each carriage. The driver of the train is able to see inside each of the carriages, and the digital video files would be available to police investigators.

EVERY London bus and Underground train car has multiple Video Cameras!

The Police claim the bus videos malfunctioned, but made no similar claim about the video cameras in the Underground train cars. The Muslim men are claimed to have ridden from Luton to King's Cross where they split up to take separate trains. I've also read it takes about 25 minutes to ride from Luton station to where the bombs were detonated.

Therefore, there MUST be some 25 minutes continuous video of first four men, riding from Luton, then video of each (supposed) "Muslim" Bomber, seated with his rucksack on each of the 3 separate Underground cars, riding from King's Cross - to where the 3 bombs exploded SIMULTANEOUSLY!

If the London Police CANNOT produce those videos they SHOULD possess, the accused 4 men, 3 supposedly with rucksack bombs, were NOT on the Underground train cars, did NOT detonate bombs! And the Police are LYING.

The 3 young men from Leeds apparently were innocent "patsies" used in a "False Flag" phoney Blair Government instigated "terrorist" attack! They weren't suicide bombers, or deceived dupes. They WEREN'T on the trains!

Instead of 3 falsely accused Muslim "patsies," either unidentified "others" must have carried on and detonated the bombs - OR the bombs were ALREADY concealed under seats, or UNDER the subway cars - and detonated by REMOTE CONTROL!

Comment: On 9/11, the videos from the security cameras were removed. We have yet to see any of them, only an out-of-focus, misdated selection from a security camera in the Pentagon parking lot. Now the missing video game appears to be reoccurring.

Monday, July 25, 2005

Photo of 'Bombers' has been Doctored

Photo of 'Bombers' has been Doctored

At Least one person has been superimposed | July 25 2005

Originally picked up on by citizens for legitimate Government, we now have further evidence to suggest that the above photo has been doctored.

CLG reported: "At first, (almost) everything looks fine, but look closer... look at the guy with the white hat... check out his left arm (HIS left arm).... the lower of the rails of the railing is IN FRONT of his left arm... where of course it shouldn't be! I'm NO image specialist, but this sure looks ridiculous. I'd say it´s a fake."

The CLG has also inspected this image. "The white-hatted man was apparently superimposed onto the photo. Not only is his arm 'behind' a railing that is supposedly several feet behind HIM, but also, upon magnification in Photoshop, part of the bar actually goes into his head. This was 'touched-up,' but pixels of his head mix unmistakably with pixels from the railing." --Michael Rectenwald.

Here is an enhancement of the picture. You can clearly see that the railing appears IN FRONT of the supposed bomber's left arm. Not only this but there also seems to be a railing running through the man's head.

A further analysis clearly shows the railing continuously running visible through the man's head. There is also a noticeable outline above the bomber's cap and around his head, indicating the image has been "cut out" and superimposed onto the original.

Why would the authorities doctor this image? What are they trying to persuade the public into believing? Or is this simply an optical illusion? If anyone has any other explanation for these anomalies, please e-mail the details to us.

Sunday, July 24, 2005

Outright terror ... bold and brilliant (Advertisement on the side of bus nr 30)

So lets just start and finish with what we know to be the facts,ignore the clutteras it where,and see what we have.

1. The London bombings we are told where committed by four rucksack carrying males.

ObservationThere is actually only one so called Witness to actually seeing a so called suicide bomber.This comes from Richard Jones who cant seem to get his story straight.

Richard Jones, 61, of Bracknell, described the man as being "about 6 feet tall, olive-skinned and clean shaven, wearing light brown trousers and a light brown top".

Yeh right Richard,maybe he was looking for his travel razor because he missed a little bit of hair under his nose,and he needed to be clean shaven before he blew himself up...

Anyway Richard Jones`s statements which can be found all over the internet leave us with many questions, including who is Mr Jones really.His statements say he was downstairs with the bomber,either sitting,standing or whatever,depending on what kind of mood he is in on the day he is interviewed.

Downstairs though is the general concensus to where he was though,and as we know the bus bomb went off upstairs.Go figure.

So if we cant trust Mr Jones,then that leaves us with no eyewitnesses to suicide bombers,and so we can start to rule out that this operation was indeed anything to do with Arab terrorists.....cant we?

Oh you need more?

Well i can understand that.

Suicide bombers on the underground trains?

This from Bomb survivor Bruce Lait

"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took
a while to realise where I was and what was going on... " He and
Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a
policeman pointed out where the bomb had been

"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said. (source)

Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination
Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings
were of military origin

He added that the victims' wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats.
Hey thats cheating mr suicide bomber,your supposed to keep them strapped to your body and all that

You know im not starting to smell a rat,rats indeed performed this sick operation,and i dont think they where Arab rats,i think these where home grown intelligence service rats,you know,the ones whove been telling us lies for a long time,getting us involved in killing innocent folks in Iraq,Afghanistan etc......

I mean killing innocent people in London and blaming it on those crazy arabs justifies the wars in Iraq etc now doesnt it.......

Is there such a thing as a coincidence ?

THE wreckage of the bus hit in one of a series of bomb attacks in London contained a fragment of an advertisement on the side of the vehicle – "Outright terror ... bold and brilliant".
The quote was from a review of a horror film which has just opened in British cinemas.

These terrorists sure do have a sick sense of humour. If this was there intent then they must have known this bus was carrying this advertisement.Now who would have known in advance........hmmm.

London Stagecoach Employee Says Bus Bombing Suspicious

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | July 15 2005

We received an e mail from an employee of Stagecoach, the company responsible for the majority of London buses.

Our contact works a route roughly one mile from the site of the bus bombing last Thursday.

The bus driver pointed out that the number 30 bus was the only one to be re-routed after the initial bombs went off in the London Underground, every other bus carried on its normal journey, but for some reason this bus was diverted.

The driver notes the following about CCTV maintainence.

"CCTV gets maintained at least 2 or 3 times a week and can digitally store upto 2 whole weeks worth of footage. this is done by a private contractor....So when I heard that the CCTV wasn't working on a vehicle that's no more than 2 years old since last June.....I'm sorry that's rubbish, I work for the company I know different."

Also a point of interest....last saturday a contractor came to inspect the CCTV on the buses at the depot, According to my supervisor the person spent more than 20 hours over that weekend, 20 hours to see if the CCTV is working? Also that person who came was not a regular contractor, for security reasons the same few people always come to the depot to carry out work, this time it was different.

Drivers in the depot already think the so called bombers had inside help because it was to organised. Some even think it had help from the company."

I have received other information suggesting that the CCTV is regularly maintained and checked. The police pay the bus company to check it, and the bus company makes a substantial profit out of this, so all parties benefit from keeping the CCTV systems working.

This information makes it all the more suspicious that the bus cameras were not working.

Was the mammoth 20 hour inspection session of the CCTV a means of disabling the CCTV, or something even darker? Were the contractors, who were not familiar to the bus company employees, actually placing the bomb?

Well I dont know about you but i think just like in 9/11 the people are being taken for a ride....the rushing through of marking us all biometricallyk,the passing of a british patriot act where innocent people can be shot/murdered in broad daylight for running for a bus,without any come back on the powers that be sure is frightening and an abuse of power.

Saturday, July 23, 2005

Darren Williams maker of the Pentagon Strike flash Video in his first ever public interview

Darren Williams maker of the Pentagon Strike flash Video which has been seen by over 300 million people world wide,and even brought the attention and spotlight of the Washington post upon him,can be heard in his first ever public interview in todays "Signs Of The Times" podcast.

If you are one of those folks who have not seen the Flash Video i strongly recommend that you do so.And if you are one of those that have seen it,then you will want to hear this interview.....And the birth of a new podacast which is bound to grow and grow,if the first few productions are anything to go by...

A new flower from the seed of truth has risen above the ground,support it.

How Black Ops Staged the London Bombings

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How Black Ops Staged the London Bombings

by Fintan Dunne,
22 July, 2005 12:00pmET

Staged terror events --like magic tricks-- rely on misdirection to throw people off the track. The
first step in uncovering how the London bombings were carried out by a
Western black operations team -is to see through the key misdirections
they built into the operation.

Here's the official spin on what happened:

evidence of the movements of the four alleged bombers comes from a
single CCTV image of four similar-looking individuals entering Luton
Station to catch a London-bound train. Three of them had driven to
Luton to meet the fourth and carry on by train to King's Cross station
in London.

The police claim to have another CCTV video of them
splitting up at Kings Cross and heading in different directions to
carry out the attacks. Papers identifying them were found at the scenes
--where their bodies have also been recovered. Police also found bomb
materials in the car they left at a pay carpark in Luton.

the tale of the "suicide bombers." The big problem with this account is
that a terror group would never deliberately waste valuable human
resources in suicide attacks, when suicide tactics are not needed.

answer, mainstream media are now also pushing the line that they may
have been duped --and didn't know the bombs would explode immediately
they were set. In alternative media some are also pushing the idea that
they simply thought they transporting drugs.

Both explanations assume the four did actually carry the bombs onto London's Underground trains and a bus.

Which of course, they didn't. All this has been misdirection.

Here's how it really went down:

three who were driving from Leeds to Luton never completed their
journey. Somewhere along the M1 motorway, a car with a flashing blue
light came up behind them and both cars pulled over to the side of the
road. The seeming police officers demanded identification and then
insisted that the car be moved off the motorway for safety reasons and
for further questioning.

Meanwhile another team was intercepting
the fourth person in as he made his way from nearby Aylesbury to Luton.
None of them would be seen alive in public again. They did not
participate in the bombings.

The CCTV image of them entering Luton Station is a cut and paste of prior surveilance photos taken of the four. This is the key misdirrection.

the four would have been much to public once they entered Luton
Station. They were taken out before that. Let's come back to what
happened to them after we unveil the other key misdirection.

The bombs on the Underground were not in the tube carriages. They were under the floors of the carriages. The black-ops team would need access to rail or maintainance yards in order to plant these timed devices.

That's the reliable way. That's why this was inevitably how it would be done.

of this comes from a number of reports, including this eyewitness
account of the Aldgate East tube bomb by Cambridge dancer Bruce Lait.
He and dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in their
carriage who survived without serious injury - despite being nearest to
the bomb blast.

Here's the Cambridge Evening News report [also]:
I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took
a while to realise where I was and what was going on... " He and
Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a
policeman pointed out where the bomb had been.

"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.
Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination
Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings
were of military origin:
He added that the victims' wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats. [Source also]
Or perhaps under the floor.

injuries such as those suffered by Emily Benton, one of two Knoxville,
TN sisters on vacation in London who were injured in one of the tube
blasts. She had broken bones and skin missing on her feet:
"Her feet were badly injured (the hospital doesn't think she will lose her feet), and she has a bad cut on her arm." [Source]
much of the carnage taking place underground, it was useful that the
bus bomb could provide an above-ground spectacle -and the only sighting
of a bomber in action:
blast survivor Richard Jones yesterday revealed how he came
face-to-face with one of the London bombers. The Scots IT expert got
off the doomed double-decker just seconds before it was torn apart in
an explosion that killed 13 passengers.

"This young guy kept diving into this bag or whatever he had in front of his feet," he told The Associated Press.

said the bomber was around 6ft tall, in his mid-twenties, clean-shaven
and smartly dressed. The man was wearing hipster-style fawn checked
trousers, with exposed designer underwear, and a matching jersey-style
top. 'The pants looked very expensive, they were white with a red band
on top... He was standing with his back to me downstairs at the
driver's side, which is exactly where the explosion was... The noise
was unbelievable. I served an apprenticeship in an explosives factory
in Ayrshire so I knew what it was.' [Source]
doesn't sound anything like the blue-jeaned, unshaven, rather
drably-dressed Hasib Hussain. But the tale of a nervous bomber served
to add color to a London landscape which badly needed at least one
eyewitness account of the bombers in action.

The bus -like the trains, had a concealed bomb.

the alleged bombers had been whisked to a remote location to be
ruthlessly murdered in a way that would be consistent with their
participation in a suicide bombing. They died in a callous blast
arranged with military precision.

Four more murders came easily to those who were meanwhile killing scores in London with the same ruthless precision.

bodies and body parts would be infiltrated into the forensic
investigation. Their identity papers would be "found" at the scenes of
the bombings. Their injuries would be consistent. Their names and their
memory smeared forever.

It's war. This is what it's like. Stop it.

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License To Kill:
Police Murder In Broad Daylight and Nobody Batters an Eyelid

Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | July 22 2005

The news this morning
that a 'suspected suicide bomber' had been shot dead at a London train station
and that other house raids had resulted in individuals being shot to death
by police has been received with barely a mumur of questioning as to who
these individuals were and why police needed to use deadly force.

is now quoting Sky News in saying that the man shot five times at Stockwell
was not one of the would-be suicide bombers who attempted to detonate bombs
on Thursday and whose CCTV photos have been released.

Experts told the
that the shooting was likely carried out by special forces, although eyewitnesses
also said police were involved in the pursuit.

The man was pursued,
tripped, pushed to the ground and then shot five times in the torso area.
If the police and special forces pursuing the man knew he had a bomb that
he was potentially about to detonate then why would they risk setting the
bomb off by shooting at it?

BBC quoted Roy Ramm, former Met Police
specialist operations commander, as saying,

"The fact is that when you're
dealing with suicide bombers they only way you can stop them effectively
- and protect yourself - is to try for a head-shot," he said.

Former government intelligence analyst Crispin
Black agreed there was no other way of stopping someone who was an "immediate
threat to life".

So here we can establish that if the police suspect
this guy had a bomb strapped to him, they would go for a head shot. Therefore
we can conclude that the police knew he didn't have a bomb so they shot
him in the stomach and chest area.

So then why does BBC contradict itself by quoting
Professor Michael Clarke, professor of defence studies at King's College
London, as saying,

"The fact that he was shot in this way strongly
suggests that it was someone the authorities knew and suspected he was carrying
explosives on him."

Excuse me? We were just told that the only safe
way to deal with a suicide bomber is to go for a head shot, otherwise you
run a high risk of setting the bomb off. But now they flip it 180 degrees
and tell us the opposite, that they were right to shoot in the area where
the explosives would be. This doesn't make
any sense.

This is a blatant attempt to justify the cold
blooded pursuit and murder of a man that was not one of the suspected suicide
bombers involved in yesterday's attacks and a man who the police knew did
not have explosives strapped to his body, which is why they shot him in
the torso area.

And what of the witness reports of a bomb belt
and wires coming out of the man's jacket? They seem to have been swept under
the rug. The modus operandi is simple. Put out the story that this guy was
a suicide bomber with wires hanging off him about to blow a train up and
the public have no problem in accepting the response of the police in killing
him. The later retraction that he was not a suicide bomber goes under the
radar as the British population prepares to go on a Friday night drink binge
or curl up and fester in front of the television.

So these are the new rules we have to live our
lives by? If you're late for the bus or train and are seen
running then the police can just mow you down no questions asked?

If, as in the case of this individual, you're
wearing a heavy coat on a relatively hot day (and it certainly hasn't been
as hot today in England as it was last week) then that's also a sure fire
sign that you're about to blow yourself up?

What about people from scorching hot climates
who haven't adapted to the British weather? What Brits call hot, someone
from Pakistan would call mild.

It appears that law enforcement has been granted
the same powers as President Bush. If the suspect is defined as an enemy
combatant or a terrorist they can be located and killed on the spot. No
evidence, no trial, no questions asked.

The British public needs to ask serious
questions about who is really behind these bombings and what these outrageous
new police abuses mean for the future of freedom in this country.

Thursday, July 21, 2005

More Explosions in London: Psy-ops in Progress

More Explosions in London: Psy-ops in Progress

Paul Joseph
Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet

| July 21 2005

Ask the question, who benefits?

Today is the last
day of parliament
before an 80 day break. So if the governmen
wanted to get those anti-terror measures through which were proposed after
the 7/7 bombing, then this status of high alert is the perfect climate to
get them rammed through without dissent.

Sky News reported that members of parliament could
be recalled tonight in a special session for the express purpose of passing
that legislation.

And what does the legislation include? Designating
anyone who writes articles or puts out a website that advocates or gives
aid and comfort to the terrorists.

So you have a situation whereby they could say that
someone like myself writing articles accusing the government of involvement,
has a negative impact on the public’s trust of the government in fighting
the war on terror and therefore aids the terrorists.

The definition is so loose that they could classify
what we do on this website as aiding terrorists.

When of course all we’re
really doing is shining a spotlight on the real terrorists and attempting
to save both lives and liberties.

The government is setting up a database of undersirables
to be watched under this legislation.

Clarke 'lowers bar' on terror crime via web, writing, preaching

In the early confusion about what is actually
happening in London, several things are already clear.

- This immediately stalls questions about
the first
. The mainstream media were finally beginning to highlight
the fact that the government's official story did not fit together. This
takes those issues off the front pages.

- This further promulgates the fearmongering
and creates a pliable public that is willing to accept draconian anti-terror
laws. They are trying to turn us into Israel, with an alert or a bombing
every fortnight.

- On the very day that the Patriot Act
is due to be renewed, Bush can use the alert level to grease the skids and
bully Congress into re-authorizing the bill.

Bush sees London attacks as reason for Patriot Act

Some early reports from the scene of the
incidents are very interesting.

Reports are that Arabs were seen running
from the sitesof the explosion. London's population is 20% Arab. If a bomb
exploded near you, would you run? One of the Arabs is reported as saying
"what is wrong with these people?" which suggests he was just
scared but was immediately identified as a scapegoat.

Sky News is showing scenes of random Arabs
being arrested. Watch for the fearmongering of 'four terrorists on the loose
waiting to attack' - this will enable emergency stop and search powers to
be used. How likely is it that all four bombs would fail to detonate?

ITN news reported that one of the suspected
suicide bombers was arrested and taken into Whitehall. Why would somebody
so potentially dangerous be taken into a government building and not to
the police station?

Sky News reported that 'something was
in the air' and that several stations had been closed due to an alert at

BBC reported that one of the individuals'
rucksacks exploded and he looked surprised and dismayed. Who is planting
these devices in people's luggage? Or are these people copycats?

Sky News reported that Tony
Blair was already in a crisis meeting in an underground bunker which overlapped
with the alert. Another case of preparing to 'control' the chaos as it unfolded?

Sky News also reports Blair was set to meet with MI5
and MI6 as well as Secret Service later today. This suggests Blair's schedule
was planned ahead of time to coincide with these incidents.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard defends his country's
policies in Iraq and Afghanistan by citing the so-called claim of responsibility
for the London bombings which was carried on an internet forum, which criticized
Australian involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. The original claim was of
course proven
to be a hoax

There are already 'Atta passport' type stories of Arabs
planting the bombs and running away and being chased by members of the public.
This immediately creates the psy-ops stroyboard that this is the work of

The Israeli government is renowned for pulling off
these dummy bombings to keep their population in a state of fear.

2 religious soldiers believed behind J'lem fake bomb

More developments as this story unfolds....

Reports Of Explosions In London Tube Stations and Bus



Eyewitness Reports at Odds With Official Scenario

By Christopher Bollyn

INDIAN LAKE, Pennsylvania—Eyewitness testimonies have generally been excluded from the official version of 9-11. In the Shanksville area, where many residents believe Flight 93 was shot down, there are scores of eyewitnesses whose testimonies contradict the government’s claim that courageous passengers fought hijackers, forcing the jetliner to crash rather than be flown into a building.

Some local residents here are deeply offended by the official explanation of what supposedly happened to United Airlines Flight 93, calling it a patriotic pack of lies.

Fearful of retribution from federal agents, many eyewitnesses who spoke with American Free Press asked that their names not be published.

While differing on some details of the plane said to be Flight 93, which passed over Lambertsville, eyewitnesses agree that unexplained military aircraft were in the immediate vicinity when a huge explosive “fireball” occurred at the reclaimed coal mine near Shanksville.

Viola Saylor saw Flight 93 pass very low over her house in Lambertsville, which is a mile north of the official crash site. She was in her backyard when she heard a very loud noise and looked up to find herself “nose to nose” with Flight 93, which she says was flying “upside down” as it passed overhead. It was blue and silver, she said, and glistened in the sunlight. It was so low that it rustled the leaves of her 100-foot maple tree in her yard.

It flew southeastward for about three more seconds and even gained elevation before it crashed over the hill with a “thud,” she said.

“It was really still for a second,” she said. “Then all of a sudden” she saw a “very quiet” and low-flying white “military” plane coming from the area of the crash site, flying toward the northwest.

“It was flying very fast, like it was trying to get out of here,” she said. “A second or two” behind the “military” plane were two other planes, which Saylor described as “normal” planes.

Shown a photograph of a Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II, a low-flying combat aircraft commonly referred to as a “Warthog,” Saylor identified it as the military plane she had seen. She said she recognized the two engines on the rear and the distinctive shape of the cockpit and nose of the plane.

Similar eyewitness reports of military planes over Shanksville on 9-11 remain censored by the U.S. corporate media, although they were reported in two leading British newspapers.

Susan McElwain, a local teacher, also reported seeing a white “military” plane at the scene of the crash before witnessing an explosion. Ms. Mcelwain told The Daily Mirror what she saw:

“It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50 feet above my mini-van,” she recalled. “It was so low I ducked instinctively. It was traveling real fast, but hardly made any sound.

“Then it disappeared behind some trees. A few seconds later I heard this great explosion and saw this fireball rise up over the trees, so I figured the jet had crashed. The ground really shook. So I dialed 911 and told them what happened.

“I’d heard nothing about the other attacks and it was only when I got home and saw the TV that I realized it wasn’t the white jet, but Flight 93.

“I didn’t think much more about it until the authorities started to say there had been no other plane. The plane I saw was heading right to the point where Flight 93 crashed and must have been there at the very moment it came down.

“There’s no way I imagined this plane—it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.

“It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side,” Ms. McElwain said. “I haven’t found one like it on the Internet. It definitely wasn’t one of those executive jets.

[However,] the FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.”

The plane Ms. McElwain describes is similar to the Warthog seen by Saylor over Lambertsville.

“Then [FBI agents] changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000 feet up,” she said. “But I saw it, and it was there before the crash, and it was 40 feet above my head. They did not want my story—nobody here did.”

The U.S. media has only reported what Bill Crowley, FBI spokesman from Pittsburgh, said about other planes in the area: “Two other airplanes were flying near the hijacked United Airlines jet when it crashed, but neither had anything to do with the airliner’s fate.”

In an apparent slip of the tongue, Crowley said one of the planes, “a Fairchild Falcon 20 business jet,” had been directed to the crash site to help rescuers. The Falcon 20, however, is made by Dassault of France while Fairchild made the A-10 Thunderbolt II, the plane described by Ms. Mcelwain and identified by other eyewitnesses.

The Daily American of nearby Somerset did not want Ms. McElwain’s story. In fact, the local paper has never reported that at least 12 local residents saw several unexplained aircraft at the time of the crash.

Asked why the paper has not mentioned these eyewitness reports, managing editor Brian P. Whipkey told AFP “They could not be substantiated.”


At the horseshoe-shaped Indian Lake, about a mile east of the official crash site, several eyewitnesses recalled hearing “a screaming thing” that “screeched” as it passed over the golf course and lakeside community immediately before a huge explosion shook the ground.

Chris Smith, the groundskeeper at the golf course, said something with a “very loud screeching sound” passed over in the immediate vicinity of the golf course before he heard a huge explosion.

“It was like nothing I’ve ever heard before,” Smith said.

The explosion that followed sounded like a “sonic boom,” he said. Smith and others said they felt the shock wave from the explosion.

Smith said he was used to seeing a variety of military aircraft from the nearby Air National Guard bases in Johnstown and Cumberland, Md.

Another groundskeeper said he saw a silver plane pass overhead toward the crash site from the southeast after hearing the loud “screeching” sound. The large silver plane was at an elevation of several thousand feet, he said.

A local veteran who flew combat helicopters in the Vietnam War told AFP that the high-pitched screeching sound was indicative of a missile.

Shown a photo of an A-10 Warthog, the groundskeeper identified it as the kind of plane that circled the crash site at a very low altitude three times before flying away. He recognized the two vertical fins on the rear of the plane. “Nobody was interested in what we saw,” he said. “They didn’t even ask us.”

Mobile telephones and satellite televisions in the Indian Lake area did not work at the time of the crash, he said. Paul Muro was in his yard in Lambertsville when Flight 93 passed overhead. Muro, who lives a half-mile closer to the crash site than Saylor, said the plane was flying rightside up and normally, although it was very low.

Muro told AFP that he also saw a large silver plane approaching from the south, the opposite direction of Flight 93, above the crash site at the time of the explosion.

The silver plane then turned and headed back in the direction from which it had come, he said.

Tom Spinelli works at the Indian Lake Marina. After 9- 11, he told a Pittsburgh television news reporter about the unexplained aircraft he saw. “I saw the white plane,” he said.

“It was flying around all over the place like it was looking for something,” he said. “I saw it before and after the crash.”

AFP visited the marina and asked Spinelli about the planes he saw on 9-11.
“I’m sorry,” Spinelli said. ‘No comment’ is all I can say.”

An Indian Lake resident told AFP that federal agents had visited the marina after Spinelli had spoken to the Pittsburgh news channel, TV 4, and told him to stop talking about what he saw.

Local firefighters were also told not to talk about what they had seen at the crash site.

(Issue #30, July 25, 2005)

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